tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35248477.post2091782180099454281..comments2024-03-27T14:20:05.905-04:00Comments on Montclair SocioBlog: Racism Without Racists (LAPD version)Jay Livingstonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06652075579940313964noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35248477.post-14237049742322920642012-03-18T12:13:37.907-04:002012-03-18T12:13:37.907-04:00This assumes the data has same reliability in whit...This assumes the data has same reliability in white and black neighborhoods, which I doubt.<br /><br />Also, the trigger to frisk is higher in less violent neighborhoods, because you're less likely to assume people are armed, which would increase the hit rate.<br /><br />Just food for thought.PCMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13647097472236933108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35248477.post-67723722103314726482008-11-03T01:34:00.000-05:002008-11-03T01:34:00.000-05:00jay, I will download and look at the report becaus...jay, I will download and look at the report because it sounds really interesting. I'm glad that they looked at the neighborhood characteristics and it's interesting to know that it didn't do that much to reduce disparities. <BR/><BR/>Thanks again for posting this and for letting me know that there was even more interesting material in the report than what you already described.mike3550https://www.blogger.com/profile/09621465191508532187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35248477.post-43165584615188865152008-10-31T14:44:00.000-04:002008-10-31T14:44:00.000-04:00Ayres wrote an op-ed in the LA Times last week on ...Ayres wrote an op-ed in the LA Times last week on this -- it was good. Then some yahoo from the police officer's union wrote in the next day or so saying that Ayres should have included information on whether the stops yielded an arrest or found drugs or whatever... I haven't read the report (it's not really shocking to me that the LAPD profiles, I'd be more likely to read a report that showed they don't), but it looks like Ayres did account for this.<BR/><BR/>Nice to see that the union representatives don't take the time to read the report before writing a public letter to the LA Times to condemn it!newsocprofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05885289404970310411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35248477.post-24804926910412521082008-10-31T13:26:00.000-04:002008-10-31T13:26:00.000-04:00Mike, you should download the report if not the da...Mike, you should download the report if not the data. Ayres included neighborhood variables. "the regressions in Table 4 are sufficient to show that the racial disparities of Table 1 are not merely a by-product of African Americans and Hispanics living in high-crime neighborhoods. Even after controlling for the crime rates, we find large and statistically significant disparities in the stop rate."<BR/><BR/>"The middle column of Table 23 adds in controls related to the attributes of the specific stop—such as whether the stop took place at night, whether the stop took place on the weekend, <B> the division where the stop occurred</B>, the role (driver, passenger or pedestrian) of the suspect and the assignment (traffic, patrol or other) of the officer. Adding these stop attribute controls slightly lowers the racial disparity estimates. The black frisk disparity is reduced to 39.9% and the Hispanic frisk disparity falls to 28.2%."Jay Livingstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06652075579940313964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35248477.post-68785499344477979922008-10-31T13:05:00.000-04:002008-10-31T13:05:00.000-04:00Jay, This is really fascinating. I also wonder ho...Jay, This is really fascinating. I also wonder how much of it might be due to another form of unconscious racism in that minorities tend to live in communities with higher crime (and therefore police are more cautious and/or willing to be more aggressive). Since racial residential patterns are so segregated, this would also drive up the stop & frisk rates of minorities for racial, but not racist, reasons.mike3550https://www.blogger.com/profile/09621465191508532187noreply@blogger.com